In a previous post I pointed out that a lot of people completely misunderstand what poker sponsorship is for. A few poker players are lucky enough to be paid by their sponsors simply to go out there and play with a patch on their shirt. For certain immortals (e.g. Praz Bansi), their play is good enough that this deal is worth the sponsor’s while.
Between about 2003-2009, poker sponsorship largely took the form of:
a) Player wins big tournament
b) Sponsor (and usually player as well) erroneously believes this heralds a glittering career on the felt
c) It doesn’t
d) Sponsor ends the deal with player, having spent tens of thousands of dollars for what in real terms must amount to a few thousand in exposure.
Around two or three years ago, the real financial upside to poker started to pull into focus for the big poker sites. As it did, the sites morphed from opportunist land-grabbers with (apparently) limitless budgets into savvy businesses squeezing their pros to get their money’s worth. In short, the profession of “sponsored poker player” became a job.
PokerStars and Full Tilt benefitted most from the land grab. With gross margins in excess of $1bn per annum each, they could afford to bankroll in excess of one hundred players each. However, even before Black Friday, these online behemoths were beginning to rein in the expense accounts. Players were dropped, advertising budgets were reduced, and in general everyone in the business was steeling themselves for a difficult year or two until the US legalizes online poker.
We’re still trying to work out what happened next. Over the weekend came the news that Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet (AP/UB) had terminated their contracts with all their sponsored pros. How on Earth this came as a surprise to some people is beyond me.
Personally, I’d been trying to predict ever since Black Friday what the future would be for the sponsored pro, but it certainly didn’t take the AP/UB announcement to telegraph that it was pretty bleak.
Take another look at my poker sponsorship schema above. I know I bang on about how there’s a lot of luck in poker, but even the softest head should agree that many poker careers have looked just like that. If you don’t believe me, just look at an old poker magazine. Sure, the Negreanus and the Iveys are there, but many of the other names are fossils. Agreed, this happens in most sports as well, but certainly not with the same alarming speed as in poker.
Even with Negreanu and Ivey, it takes a humungous spend to keep the poster boys in pole position. The Hendon Mob recently added the option on their site to discount invitationals and over $50k buy in events from the all-time rankings. Evidently these rankings were becoming such an Old Boys club that the Big Two could simply keep their headliners on top just by making sure they played a high amount of big events.

There was method to this. It’s well documented that spectators are drawn to sports by heroes. The NBA is the biggest exponent of this: from Jordan to Kobe, Shaq to Lebron, the big names are the big draws. And so it is with Nadal, Federer, Tiger, Gretsky, and so on. Poker wanted a poster boy and Full Tilt especially poured millions into making us believe that Ivey was that guy.
A Main Event final table for Ivey in 2009 was the boon the poker world needed. I can’t remember too many people stating unequivocally that Ivey was the best in the world before he achieved that feat, but I’m sure we can all remember his press afterwards.
Ivey certainly is a great player, and may well be the best in the world. However, for the foreseeable future, the marketing dollars just aren’t going to be there in the same quantities. And it’s my personal conviction that the marketing dollars – not the irresistible skill of a Michael Jordan or a Tiger Woods – have validated our heroes in poker.
What would the poker world look like without any heroes? The future will tell.







I didn’t quite understand the end. Are you saying that all TV pros are BS? I don’t get why you chose Ivey, a guy who is known for being the best player in the world in basically every game, format, limit, etc.
Best.
Brian.
I’m saying that notwithstanding the fact that Ivey may well be the best player out there (which is incidentally why I chose him), a lot of why we think pros are so great is because their sponsors have spent so much money trying to convince us of this.
Without that marketing spend in the future, the hero status of a great many players (but probably NOT Ivey IMO) will degrade over time.
So no, not all TV pros are BS, but some.
So alex,
If YOU had to play for a living ( Live Poker) No talks/Seminars/writing or sponsorship ….could you make a reasonable living AND if so at what level and game?
Hi Pete,
If I wasn’t sponsored I guess the best deal I would get rakeback-wise would be about 40-50%. Assuming 40%, playing 4 tables of 6-max PLO (which is my grinding a living game), I would rakeback about €15-20 per hour at €0.5/€1 and €1/€2 tables. In addition to that, I’d expect to grind out about 3bbs/100 (that’s HEM bbs, not PT3bbs), so at 300 hands per hour (4 tables), that’s either €9 or €18 per hour actual profit, depending on which stakes (I would table select to get the best tables from each).
So that’s around €25-€40 per hour, which is tax free. However, you’d probably need to do about a quarter of your time again reading up, analysing your play and improving your game, which of course is not paid. When I was just grinding online, I rarely played more than 20 hours per week at the actual tables, so figure another 5 hours per week of learning.
So it’s around €600-€700 per week, tax free, for around 25 hours work. 25 hours may not sound like much, but note that in the average salaried job, the amount of useful work which gets done is somewhere in the region of 25 hours per week. The rest is faffing, making coffee, having breaks and chatting to colleagues, which poor old poker players would have to take out of their hourly rate
Ah, bugger – you asked for live poker.
Well, that’s a different kettle of fish. Yes, I could make a reasonable living, but I’d have to be playing deepstacked 5/10 PLO and there aren’t many beatable games in the UK at that level (perhaps I’d have to move to France or Vegas).
Live PLO you’d expect only to play around 25 hands an hour, but deepstacked and with the unbelievable fish which you can get at live Omaha, I think 10-20 BBs/100 is not unreasonable (taking into account the rake).
So that, what? about 25-50 an hour again. To maintain that level you’d have to keep very vigilant about the fishy games. And there are a lot more exes in live poker (taxis/food/hotels).
PLAY or get dealt 25 hands per hour?
I play PLO for a living 1-2 and 2-5 and if you played 25 hands per hour you would def be my hero ….skint but a hero!! LoL
Obv I meant the table plays that many hands not the player!
Well spotted
good day everyone happy new year to yous all
alf